Friday, February 23, 2007

Elected Senate; Dumb Dumb Dumb

The notion that the lack of an elected senate in anyway constitutes a democratic deficit is patently absurd. As is implied by the notion of a triple E senate, for example, the senate in its current form is an "ineffective" body devoid of any real powers. Needless to say, a body that adds nothing to the genuine "effective" democratic process of the House of Commons can not take away anything either.

Still, that begs the question: would Canada be better off with two “effective” houses? The answer is no. As Benjamin Franklin put it, having two equally matched houses makes as much sense as tying two equally matched horses to either end of a buggy and having them both pull. However, for most of the supporters of such an idea that was precisely the point. As the name of Britain’s two houses, the House of Lords and the House of Commons, indicate the purpose of having a second House was to check the will of common people. The purpose of the Canadian senate was to do the same.

Unfortunately for the US, political necessity gave US supporters of the Second House, modeled on the British parliamentary system, the upper hand over true democrats, such as Franklin. Agreement was not possible unless the smaller states were given the power to override, or at the very least temper the will of the majority of Americans. The slave owning south, for one, wanted to insure that the institution of slavery was maintained. The lack of any sort of party discipline together with a bicameral house is a potent brew indeed. Regional interests make out like bandits, the lobbyist’s play divide and conquer and the need to water down legislation that has the support of the majority of Americans would have warmed the heart of anti democratic plutocrats, such as Adams. Alaska, for example, has a 1000 times the political clout of, say, PEI, even though Alaska makes up a smaller portion of the US population than PEI Canada’s. To top things off, a lack of any sort effective caps on corporate campaign contributions means that only the richest of the rich have the economic wherewithal to run for the Senate. Indeed, one could make a pretty good case that the original Senate, with its land ownership requirements, was open to greater percentage of the population than the current one is.

Naturally the Conservatives are committed emulating the American system and as bad as that is, things have the potential of getting a whole lot worse. (Harper was once committed to abolishing caps on corporate donations, but has since reversed course.) Being unable to “reform” the Senate in one fell swoop, Harper has proposed electing effective Senators piece meal. It is hard to image a dumber idea. In the long term, the effect of such a process would be to transform an unelected political body with no power into a largely unelected political body with real political power. In the short term, it would commit Canadians to the farcical and expensive act of electing people to office who hold no real power. If that was bad enough it would give provinces, such as Novo Scotia, power way out of proportion to their actual population.

4 comments:

Tony said...

It is interesting that you atomically accuse PMSH of emulating the American system when he makes the suggestion of having an elected senate in Canada.

There are other countries, such as, Australia, Norway, New Zealand and Ireland, in which an elected senate has worked well without any problems

Koby said...

"It is interesting that you atomically accuse PMSH of emulating the American system when he makes the suggestion of having an elected senate in Canada."

The Americans have a Triple E senate. Going back 19 years now the Reformtories have being fighting for Triple E senate. In other words, Harper et al are trying to reproduce the Amercian system here in Canada.

Gargoyle said...

You miss the point. The upper house is supposed to represent Canadians from a regional basis and the lower house is supposed to represent Canadians from a per-capita basis.

Further, as is so sadly typical of Liberals you use the sad logic of 'if the Americans do it this way it must be wrong'.

Your logic in the rest of the post if fairly weak too.

Why is the notion of Canadians electing someone who represent us so obsurd? By your logic, one could argue that MPs need not be elected either.

Koby said...

"The upper house is supposed to represent Canadians from a regional basis and the lower house is supposed to represent Canadians from a per-capita basis."

That would be the rational given for the American system. Naturally, as a Conservative you confuse your desire for an American system with reality. The rational for the senate was that it was to serve as a "chamber of sober second thought" and it was designed to check the power of the commoners. That is why senators had to be major land holders. Anyway, rationales are not what matters. Effects are and the effects are all bad.

>>>> "Why is the notion of Canadians electing someone who represent us so obsurd? By your logic, one could argue that MPs need not be elected either."

You are pretty quick on the uptake. “a body that adds nothing to the genuine "effective" democratic process of the House of Commons can not take away anything either.” In other words, as senators do not effectively add to the democratic process they can not be said to represent the Canadian people in the same way that MPs do. As an atrophied body, I want the senate abolished.